40 Responses to “The Cold Hard Truth: Debt is STUPID and You Might Be Too!!”

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  1. Hey Brad,

    You are absolutely right. While the word stupid is a bit harsh — it is the truth. And sometimes the truth hurts! Stupid generally means behaving in an ignorant way when you don’t have to. The fact is, that no one HAS to be in debt. (Except of course for the medical situation that you noted.) But for everyone else, there is no choice. No one holds a gun to your head & forces you to spend outside of your means. And on top of that — if you do end up in debt — there are countless resources to help you get out. Free resources — like books at the library, this blog, and many others.

    At the end of the day, staying in debt is stupid, dangerous, and detrimental to your health? Thanks for this tough push in the right direction. It might be just the motivation that some people are needing!

    Cheers,
    Dena

    • Yeah I knew this would be a bit rough but like you said, it is the truth. Sometimes it’s hard to hear the truth, but for me it was vital in our financial transformation. I even remember thinking, at first, when I was listening to Dave Ramsey on the radio that he was a bit harsh, but then I realized the reason why it hurt my feelings so much was because it was absolutely true. I’m glad Dave Ramsey wasn’t worried about hurting my feelings. :)

      Thanks for stopping by Dena! I always love hearing your thoughts. ;)

  2. Great post brad.
    Sometimes, being in debt seems to be the ok thing to do and it makes sense that no one wants to get out of it because everyone is in it. So, no one cares that everyone is teetering on the brink of disaster and doing stupid stuff.
    It’s definitely hard to hear “when it comes to money, you’re a moron” but I think it rings true for most people. The ones that take offense to being called names are the ones who dont really see the problem like it is — a threat to their future.
    Dena is right, there are plenty of resources available at the library and other places, but until the majority of people dont have debt, I dont think many will seek them out because it’s “odd” to not want debt because everyone has it.
    Keep up the good work.

  3. You know I love these kinds of posts! I am stupid to the tune of $949, which is the only remaining balance on my credit card. Outside of the CC, I have a very small mortgage and a very small student loan. I plan to have the student loan paid off by November. However, I think student loans are acceptable debt, if it’s in a reasonable amount.

    If I had known then, what I know now, I would have gone to the cheapest college in the state and not taken out a loan at all. But, when we are that young (17 years old, when I started college) we do the only thing we know and what our families tell us is right or wrong.

    I think some of the reason people get into debt early in life is because they are doing what they saw their parents do and never understand the true price the parents paid by carrying debt. Oftentimes, we are taught debt is normal, is a tool, is one of the only ways to prosper through leveraging. When one is younger and doesn’t know any better, they usually have to spend later years digging themselves out of debt because of what they have been taught and following the example set by parents.

    • Young Mogul,

      Very wise words. If we all teach our kids the “right” way to handle money they will be much better off in the future. My parents were really good at keeping up with the Jones’, so that’s what I learned. Too bad it took me so long to realize it.

  4. Yeah. I needed to hear this. I have had so many crazy things happening lately, stress out of control, so what is my response? It hurts to even say it because it’s so stupid, but I got puppy fever. Wouldn’t a golden retriever puppy make us all feel better.

    Well NO! Slamming on the brakes. Taking deep breaths….coming back onto earth. I want to be debt free.

    No puppies.

    • You’re not alone Jan! Most people need to hear this, and as far as doing stupid with money, even people without debt need to realize that debt isn’t the ONLY thing that is stupid when it comes to money. I, myself need to hold myself accountable when I do something stupid with money, the only difference is that now I’m not paying for it for years in the form of interest and paycheck to paycheck living. I am VERY happy to hear that this post helped you make a better decision. Dogs are great but being debt free is GREATER! When you’re debt free you will have so much more time to play with your retriever because you won’t have to be working two jobs to pay for everything. LOL BTW, I LOVE Golden Retrievers! Probably my all-time favorite dog!

  5. I have to agree 100% that it is stupid to take on debt, and to keep on making excuses as to why debt is actually needed in your own situation. People in our society love to rationalize away their own irresponsibility and lack of planning, and just portray a victim mentality – in order to show why they NEED to have debt. Debt isn’t necessary, however, and you will have such a sense of freedom and release when it is gone!

  6. Brad,

    While the thought of being called stupid will offend most people, I think you hit the nail on the head with the lazy and spoiled quote.

    Debt is something people need to be beat over the head about. Why? Because it’s easier to just ignore it than to face it. But the implications of that are very serious! So I appreciate the grab-ahold-by-the-shoulders-and-shake-vigorously attitude you’ve got.

    Here’s to being abnormal!

    • I agree Chris, some feelings probably got hurt a little today. I may have even lost some subscribers due to being viewed as insensitive, but the bottom line is I am here to help people. Stupidity eventually catches up with you so you can only run from it for so long before the truth hits you smack in the face. :) The people that got offended but understood the point, are the most likely ones to turn things around. Thjose are the people this post was meant for.

      As always thanks for your comment my friend! It’s always great to hear from you! :)

  7. Keoni

    Brad,

    I hear you here. Sometimes people need to here it out loud that they are being “stupid” with their money. My financial situation a couple of years ago was living paycheck to paycheck. There was always too much month left after I got paid. Then one day I said enough is enough. I decided to do something about it. I literally stumbled on Dave Ramsey and his book The Total Money Make Over. Since then, I’ve lived on cash and live on a budget. I can not wait until I pay off my last debt and scream I’M DEBT FREEE!!!!! Great blog too, I read it often!

    Cheers,
    Keoni

    • Dave Ramsey smacked me in the melon too! When I got it I really got it, and I look back and wonder where I would have been had my feelings not been hurt by that bald-headed stranger named Dave Ramsey? I know one thing, it is highly likely that I would be still broke, and the economy would be kicking my butt. Things might be bad for some but for us, things are only getting better, bad economy or not. :)

  8. Hello,

    My name is Stupid. I was addicted debt for as long as I can remember. I take no pride in being in debt. I’m here because I want to change. I’m taking the EOD 12-step “Pull your head out of your butt” challenge.

    Thank-you for listening.

    This message has been brought to you by someone who has paid every stupid tax known to man. Brad is right. Don’t just get out of debt, get out of debt to provide a better future for your family. Oh yeah, delivering pizza is a great way to pay that debt back (shameless plug :-) )

  9. I agree with you Brad, but I don’t go so far as to call it stupid. Your paragraph about the government mismanagement of finances hits on something that’s routinely missed in the financial world. When the government prints and borrows money to stimulate the economy, what they’re really doing is supporting and increasing price levels. It’s money created to chase goods and sevices that don’t exist, and that translates into higher prices. It’s why the average house and the average car cost ten times more now than they did 40 years ago.

    It’s a vicious top down game that affects us all and very dramatically at that. Wages aren’t going up in most fields at a level comparable to the real rate of inflation, which is always masked to make things look better than they are.

    So people try to adjust to something they can’t see or feel, but they know they’re falling behind, and they’re largely making it up with debt. That’s why we’re in the collective debt mess we are. No one wants to admit that they can’t afford the classic suburban lifestyle, that we can’t give our kids “the best” college education, nor does the country want to admit that we can’t afford multi-trillion dollar budgets.

    The stupid part here isn’t debt, it’s our pride keeping us from lowering our lifestyles to adjust to the REAL reality, which is a lot less rosey than the media version. We have “help” in this delusion from the government, the media and the financial community.

    I guess what I’m saying is that what looks like stupidity may have more to do with pride and blindness, or with just trying to cope. We can and should do better with this, but there but for the grace of God go I!

  10. NotConvinced

    Debt is not always stupid. I took on debt to the tune of $300k to get through college, medical school, my internship/residency, and fellowship. The debt would have been larger had I not been making a meager salary during parts of my education. The payoff for this debt has been huge. I was able to pay if off in 3 years. Was it stupid? Not in my book.

    These types of broad statements, such as ‘debt is stupid’ are rarely correct as they must be put in context.

    • You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I have to disagree with you. Taking on 300K of debt with the hopes that it would all work out was idiotically stupid! It just happened to work out for you at the time, and thankfully you had the sense to get it paid off very quickly. I can tell you after dealing with many cases, your situation doesn’t happen often at all. As a matter of fact students are currently having a hard time finding work and if they went into as much debt as you did, which most people don’t, they’d be screwed right now. Taking on debt and hoping everything works out is a serious gamble.

      How’s this for a broad statement? Debt is ALWAYS STUPID in my book and all you have to do is look around to see that more than 6 out of 10 people have it and are struggling to make it month to month. The one exception I have is house debt but even then, I prefer to not owe anyone any money at all. Not owing someone is ALWAYS better than owing someone when it’s all said and done.

      With that said I am glad that you were one of the tiniest minority of people that it worked for. Still the odds were against you.

      • I would guess that most people take out debt for school, and without it, a lot of people wouldn’t be able to go to school. But those six months after graduation go by fast and a lot of people end up back in school just to keep the deferment process alive.

        I never got the chance to go to college when I was young and just this past November graduated with my degree in ministry from a college that offers it’s bible ministry for free.

        I have been able to use my bachelors to be able to become certified to sub in the school, so I am making a few bucks with it, but as a full time mom, taking out debt for school just was not in the books for us.

        Congrats on paying off that huge debt. Do you have any debt now?

      • I’d also add that while things may have worked out for NotConvinced, his is not a story that should be held up as a model for others.

        • For those of us who are mired in debt and just digging out, student loan debt is very insidious. As I mentioned, I don’t have any of my own, but my husband has $33,000. That may only be about a tenth of the other fellow’s tuition, but it’s nearly our entire annual income, he’s a teacher.

          When it comes down to it, what other loan do you have that if you can’t pay it, all you have to do is incur more of it to stop the payments?

          Chuck is taking another masters this year, he is required to get for work, but this debt will be 100% paid by work. We will not take out a PENNY for books or “expenses”. Still, there is relief that while he is deferred, we can continue to work on the other debt. He will continue to work while getting this degree.

          We still have over $14,000 in credit debt, a $11,000 car loan, a home mortgage ($53,000) and a HEL ($25,000) PLUS the $33,000 in student loans.

          If I could go back and wipe any of those out, I would, but all I can do is keep snowballing on the credit debt and keep working toward not digging any further.

          I know at least three other couples where one of them are currently in school (in one case, both of them are) ONLY to defer these loans.

          Yes, student loans are stupid, but more than that – they’re dangerous.

  11. Steve

    Debt isn’t always stupid. It’s how the debt is used and if you can pay it off. Do you think getting a new car over a used car that might have unforeseen problems in the near future is stupid? Even though you have to take out a loan to get the new car.

    But it is a great catchy title that has produced a very good discussion.

    • Hi Steve, Obviously I think debt is stupid and I must say, you would have been better off using a mortgage as your example instead of a car. Going into debt to purchase a new car—a depreciating asset—are you serious? Buying a new car with cash is even stupid, unless of course you’re a millionaire. It loses value as soon as you drive it off the lot, so doing it with debt is an extremely stupid financial move.

      If you can’t afford it without going into debt, you shouldn’t be buying it period.

  12. Another example of doing something STUPID is borrowing money just so that you can raise your credit score.

    Someone recently asked me what my credit score was and I told them “I don’t care…because I’m consumer debt free and all I have left is my house to pay off.. why on earth would I WANT credit anymore??”

    So it really bugs me when someone borrows money because their only focus is keeping their credit score high.

    David (once stupid… not anymore..)

  13. David – Hope you aren’t upset with that person who asked about your credit score; in the minds of millions of people, you’re ***supposed*** to be ***deeply*** concerned about that number–in the same way you’d be concerned about your blood pressure readings. It’s a conditioned question, that would be expected to produce a conditioned answer (you know your score AND you’re deeply concerned about it).

    But your answer was perfect–you don’t know, you have no debt, and you don’t care–and probably has the person thinking. In fact he/she was probably stunned by both your candor and your lack of concern, enought that it’s still being turned in the questioners mind.

    What you said was a powerful “witness” of a different way to live. Your answer makes you come accross as unconventional, and that challenges people where they live. Well done!

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  15. Alana Chaffee

    Great article! It is unfortunate that so often our desire to have certain material things takes over our common sense. People often find crazy ways to justify those purchases and I find those conversations quite frustrating. There is so much less stress when there is no debt to worry about!! PS Love you!!

    • Wow, I feel quite honored my dear! It was so nice to see you brave the intimidation of leaving your first comment.

      If anyone knows what I am saying is true, it is us. We have been through a lot and we can honestly say that the place we have ended up, is truly great. Here’s to many more years of financial improvement and blissful marriage. It can only keep getting better and better! ;)

      I love you babe!

  16. bankruptcy ben

    ARGH! I see this stuff everyday but it hasn’t stopped me from getting the biggest house I could service and an expensive I know it’s a problem now I’ve just got to solve it.

  17. Don’t worry Brad, I don’t hate you!

  18. I prefer to call it ‘ignorance’ (the LACK of knowledge) over ‘stupid’ but either way I am glad I am no longer either one of them. I had my share though, I was there. Now I am smart (well, that is a relative statement), anyway I have wised up, paid off everything and have no intention of going back into debt, EVER!

    • Yeah I know, but I had to get heads to turn. LOL And when you really dig deep enough most of the things we have ALL done with money have been really STUPID, so either apply. Like you, I am GLAD to not be a slave to debt anymore. Like I said in the post, I am likely to still do something stupid with money in the future but at least it won’t be something I pay for for years in the form of high interest. LOL

  19. Maya

    Yes, I’m stupid, but want to become smart. Where do I start? We’ve got a budget and are building up our $1000 emergency fund to start. How can I get my husband on board? We pay $105/mos. for cable and almost $300/mos for combined landline/internet/cell phones. I’ve shaved as much as I know how and cable and phone are his holdouts.

    • Jan

      I would seriously consider getting the Dave Ramsey DVD Dumping Debt. I bought it and watched it while he was nearby. He kept circling around, finally we watched it together. Then I got the Relating with Money DVD. Now he is on board, but I am still driving the boat.

      By the way, TV and phones are our battle here, too. I wanted to go VOIP, but he wouldn’t do it. You pick your battles.

      Congrats on the budget and the start of the baby emergency fund!

      Sorry for hijacking the comments, Dude!!

      Jan

      • Jan, with real life experiences to add to the conversation you can hijack my comments anytime. Great reply and your advice was so true, especially picking the battles part!!

    • How to get your spouse on board: patience and example. The best thing to do is avoid getting in his face about this. This will push him away. Instead have talks, communicate about your goals, explain to him why getting your finances in order is important to you. The best advice would be to do what Jan said: pick your battles. Sometimes it is worth losing a battle in order to win the war on debt, it just takes time. If it is the difference between your husband partially being on board, or not on board at all, give in on some issues. Your husband will come around as he starts to see your situation improving.

      His holdouts will be tough to cut more unless he truly understands that the sacrifice will help you win faster. Good luck Maya! We’ve all done some stupid stuff with money, but the fact that you are taking action is going to make all the difference in the world. Keep up the great work and good luck on that budget!! :D

  20. rk

    thank you for this hard truth…it is a shame that so many people do not realize this simplicity..they would rather remain enslaved to their debts, in order to impress their friends, instead of paying off everything, and saving for their futures. Debt is the thing that keeps people working at jobs they cannot stand..

    • A shame indeed rk! I feel like that has changed a bit since starting this site in 2008 but what I am afraid of is that when the economy recovers, how easily people tend to forget and return to their old ways. I guess we\’ll see huh? And yes, being enslaved to a master makes life miserable!! Living debt free is the only way to experience true financial freedom! :D

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